Rule juggling is fun but you're overlooking other rules. yeaGO i was thinking for commander wise Crosis, the Purger, Lord Xander, the Collector,Marchesa, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Let's Brew with Obeka, Brute Chronologist as our commander on. If games are about having fun even competitively; this ain't it chief. EDH decks and themes I'm currently playing! If the trigger was a delayed trigger, the ones typically worded "at the beginning of the/your next end step", they only get to trigger once and they did trigger so won't trigger again. by Outcryqq 2 years ago, Post By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. is there anyway for obeka's controller controller to keep control of the artifact that was taken due to nabber's effect? ._2Gt13AX94UlLxkluAMsZqP{background-position:50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-size:contain;position:relative;display:inline-block} Not if 720.3[edit 722.3] (added reference in OP) takes effect. Obeka has been the hardest nut for me to crack deck wise. 1x Blightstep Pathway. Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). Check out BOTH decklists below!First list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2320784#Upping_the_Average_-_Obeka,_Brute_ChronologistBudget list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2270235#Upping_the_Average_-_Obeka,_Brute_Chronologist_(Budget)Title sequence by Daniel Woodling / MTG Explainers: https://bit.ly/3982yYaCard images courtesy of Scryfall: https://scryfall.com/Elevate by LiQWYD https://soundcloud.com/liqwydCreative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported CC BY 3.0Free Download / Stream: https://bit.ly/liqwyd-elevateMusic promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/nwV8HN0m2eA obeka, brute chronologist ruling. You can't "but I only did one then you chose no so I do it again" because now you're looping twice to the same board state as a result of the Obeka activation resolution, which is strictly against the rules. Per the rules you linked: If two or more players are involved in maintaining a loop within a turn, each player in turn order chooses a number of iterations to perform. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. I figured since the tournament rules stated that the word action could essentially be substituted for choice when resolving loops it would also apply here. How long can I stop the game like this, and are there any penalties I would suffer under the rules? The rules manager confirmed this doesn't work the way I'd like it too https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296 interesting that they don't consider choices independent actions. There is also Sudden Spoiling, which is powerful but lasts for that turn, or Polymorphist's Jest, which is similarly a 1 turn solution. Flip, Obeka, Brute Chronologist.i think one of these will benefit the deck as the commander however i do not which one to choose. "If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. 603.7b, 614.10a). 4 4 4 comments Best Add a Comment maelstrom197 1 yr. ago From Obeka's reminder text: (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. 603.7). planning on building an Obeka, Brute Chronologist commander deck, but first i want to see how her turn ending ability interacts with other cards:. by LordsofChaos115, Sedris, Grave Defiler. TappedOut.js Blog Widget. Would it just come down to whoever loses patience first? "Until end of turn" is now used exclusively for defining a duration of an effect. I activate Aphetto Alchemist targeting itself and Obeka. Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. Go ahead and say nuh-uh to whatever shit is flying in your face. 603.3). by Jack-Frost, Obeka, Reckless Chronicler "At the beginning of the next end step" is now used when something needs to trigger after the second main phase. You're not winning any games this way; you're just starting arguements at the table. Before you even reach the "I am demonstrating a loop" statement you're attempting to repeat the board state already, or your loop hasn't resolved a single "NO" response yet. Priority passes to you. And even if I'm wrong on both of those, I can almost gaurentee that if you tried this at a tournament a judge would accept "I'm going to say no to ending my turn indefinitely" as a reasonable way to end this loop. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. Privacy statement | If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue. Playtest v1. by RowanKeltizar 2 years ago, Post Hey all, my friend recently built an Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck and weve been struggling to understand the ruling. Imagine the following scenario: [[Aphetto Alchemist]] equiped with [[Illusionist's Bracers]] with our commander out. It is strictly against the rules. The only stipulated way in the rules (for the given scenario) to force your opponent to take an action they don't want to take is via 722.3. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. I learned this was against the rules when I'd shuffle my deck for free with a loop in my old Izzet deck, then try to do it again after peeking at the top card with a permanent's ability, but I was told by a player i could not due to the "you are re-looping" rule. 2020-11-10. Steal shit, don't give it back. This sounds wild, and awful to play against. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.3b33fc17a17cec1345d4_.css.map*/[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} It seems you have the correct knowledge of how Obekas ability works, but here is a link for sundial of the infinite which acts exactly the same as Obeka. If you end the turn once it has, the trigger won't ever resolve. What you are looking for are words that qualify that specific end of turn. ._1QwShihKKlyRXyQSlqYaWW{height:16px;width:16px;vertical-align:bottom}._2X6EB3ZhEeXCh1eIVA64XM{margin-left:3px}._1jNPl3YUk6zbpLWdjaJT1r{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;padding:0 4px}._1jNPl3YUk6zbpLWdjaJT1r._39BEcWjOlYi1QGcJil6-yl{padding:0}._2hSecp_zkPm_s5ddV2htoj{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;margin-left:0;padding:0 4px}._2hSecp_zkPm_s5ddV2htoj._39BEcWjOlYi1QGcJil6-yl{padding:0}._1wzhGvvafQFOWAyA157okr{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;box-sizing:border-box;line-height:14px;padding:0 4px}._3BPVpMSn5b1vb1yTQuqCRH,._1wzhGvvafQFOWAyA157okr{display:inline-block;height:16px}._3BPVpMSn5b1vb1yTQuqCRH{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-body);border-radius:50%;margin-left:5px;text-align:center;width:16px}._2cvySYWkqJfynvXFOpNc5L{height:10px;width:10px}.aJrgrewN9C8x1Fusdx4hh{padding:2px 8px}._1wj6zoMi6hRP5YhJ8nXWXE{font-size:14px;padding:7px 12px}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y{border-radius:20px}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y:hover{opacity:.85}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y:active{transform:scale(.95)} Card Text: . The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. I think we need more artifact mana. Like you, I have wanted to build around this card since I first saw it, but never as the commander. 'end step' effect: Hate Mirage. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Obeka, Brute Chronologist rulings: 2020-11-10: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. If there's a reason this rule doesn't apply here, another rule that applies, or a rule which prevents me from getting that far then I'm not aware. As you've got access to Blue, there are a few non-Rakdos tricks you can use, the most hilarious I know of is Mass Diminish, note that it lasts until your next turn and have a good laugh. 11/10/2020: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. This can be found in the rulings on gatherer. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. obeka - (G) (SF) (txt)sundial of the infinite - (G) (SF) (txt)._3K2ydhts9_ES4s9UpcXqBi{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%} Therefore you must make your opponent's choice to be to not end the turn in order to even propose the loop to begin with. Based on CR 722.2a. 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The ending point of this sequence must be a place where a player has priority, though it need not be the player proposing the shortcut. by Chakagozio, Speak "friend" and Enter [PRIMER] Contact | $0.10. Card Kingdom Price From $0.22. Another Goad source that is great with a creature heavy board is Agitator Ant, which is hilarious a lot of the time. by LoneEmberFTW, New Lord Obeka's effect jumps directly to the Cleanup Step from whatever step/phase the game currently is at.If the game was in a step/phase prior to the End Step, it would skip past the End Step so nothing triggering on the End Step would trigger this turn. $1.80. 1x. Cards that grant players an extra turn are always good to keep an eye on. Artist: Jesper Ejsing. 603.2). ._2a172ppKObqWfRHr8eWBKV{-ms-flex-negative:0;flex-shrink:0;margin-right:8px}._39-woRduNuowN7G4JTW4I8{margin-top:12px}._136QdRzXkGKNtSQ-h1fUru{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:8px 0;width:100%}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_,._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{margin-left:auto}._1-25VxiIsZFVU88qFh-T8p{padding:0}._2nxyf8XcTi2UZsUInEAcPs._2nxyf8XcTi2UZsUInEAcPs{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetTextColor)} I don't believe this means that they then have to choose differently, just that you shortcut to their xth choice. As with "beginning of the next end step" abilities, if you end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while a "beginning of the next cleanup step" ability is on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again. by darrenhabib 2 years ago, Post So, if I may ask, say I want to Final Fortune for an extra turn but also get bonus mana from Thawing Glaciers during that extra turn. Commander Color Restriction Rules w/ Component Pouch. It also has the active player discard down to hand size if they're over their hand size limit. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) As the active player you do your combo to untap and trigger it again. If the turn ends with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite). So effects with at, whenever, and when are triggered abilities that go on the stack and can be exiled from the stack by the effect of [[obeka]] and [[sundial of the infinite]]. Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. This is also why myriad works. Legalities. You might also run stuff like Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone to help you hit higher MVs sooner, ramping by only 1 mana feels bad compared to hitting a land drop most of the time, there is also Gilded Lotus, but hitting 5 mana can be rough. See cards from the most recent sets and discover what players just like you are saying about them. Now, if the End Step began, all those "beginning of the end step" triggers have triggered and are on the stack waiting to resolve.The interesting thing is that if you end the turn with them waiting to resolve, the triggers get exiled and the game advances to the Cleanup Step. Here is how it would work. Add to Cart 1; 2; $0.63 . So they can still say "no I want my turn to continue.". RULINGS. before the end step, the turn will move to the cleanup step (skipping any phases and steps in between, including end steps) (C.R. Terms of Use | It would be the active player not the one who started the loop. ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} I wanted to ask - when you say for Delina: Don't you mean "At the end of next combat."? I'm not certain the Commander has enough explosive power to consistently win vs 2 decks, but I have very good results in 1 v 1 with my Rakdos deck, and it often has spare cards by the end of the game, be it wipe or removal, because the deck just runs so much of those, with lots of the removal hitting more than 1 target (I love stuff like Phyrexian Purge, Fire Covenant, Make an Example, and Volcanic Offering can each be a terror of a card, and a deck running all of them has lots of pinpoint removal that will clear lots of stuff out. I can't say I've heard of not being allowed to activate a free ability that shuffles your deck, especially because you might end up with the same card on top. It ends continuous effects that have a duration of "until end of turn" or "this turn". Obeka is a lot trickier to know what you can and can't do than she seems on the surface, and part of this is due to obsolete wording found on some of the best cards to use her with. I had to explain it to my cEDH loving friend when they got excited over the spoilers. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Add To Wishlist Restock Notice Gatherer & Rulings. 603.7b, 719.1b), even on future end steps, so that in the case of "Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step" (see also [[Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker]]), that ability won't "[s]acrifice it" even in future end steps. Edit: adding comprehensive rules reference. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Magic Online Promos Rare. Obeka, Brute Chronologist Commander Primer - Decklist & How to Play. Another value card is Dredge the Mire, which can cheat in the 3 worst creatures in people's graveyards, note certain creatures will kill you if you control them, so check before playing! But even if you somehow manage to end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) during a cleanup step, this will only move the turn to another cleanup step and any "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects will end during that new step (C.R. .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} I could theoretically choose a lower number than my opponent but there's no reason to, and so the loop repeats however many times the opponent chose and now they must make a new decision: end the turn. 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