Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. feat fan Collect, curate and comment on your files. October 19, 2011 He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. 6'1", 170???? Lolich was a fine pitcher. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. Mickey Lolich was born in Portland, OR on September 12, 1940. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. Raymond Malcuit Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! The point is he made a bad team worse. He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. October 4, 2005 Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. That would make him a star in today's market. Fattest guy ever to grace a Mets uniform July 15, 2016 Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Raymond Malcuit Jr. October 19, 2011 Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. I he one who turned the 1968 World Series into a personal showcase, winning three games and the MVP award. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Rusty played another decade. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. LA-Mets April 23, 2003 He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. bogeyman John Bruce As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. pete And complaining about how fat he was? Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions. I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. April 30, 2009 February 25, 2003 As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! pete I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. bob saunders GoMets2006 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. He later resurfaced with the Padres. September 25, 2013 Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. 6'1", 170???? (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. (thankfully returning in '81). June 11, 2003 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. Randy Tate I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. March 22, 2005 We are going all the way!" Video Film Room Statcast MLB Network MLB Originals Podcasts. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. End of Line LA-Mets However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. ''I was embarrassed at the way people were looking at me,'' he said. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. You can't be serious. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Ramblin' Pete Doug S. etc. October 19, 2011 Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. June 30, 2001 Fact is Lolich was always overweight. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Jamey Bumbalo Ramblin' Pete As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Bob P Peter Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. June 30, 2019 April 23, 2003 But this one defied all logic from the beginning. John Bruce September 29, 2007 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. September 25, 2013 You can't be serious. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Check out his 1971 season: 45 starts. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! October 19, 2011 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. October 18, 2008 Mr. Sparkle He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. senor ortiz As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Tigers Mickey Lolich signed Jersey WCOA. That would make him a star in today's market. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. January 12, 2011 GoMets2006 NO WAY he was 170 pounds. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Yes, Mickey had some great years with the Tigers, no disrespect to him, but acquiring him at the cost of Rusty was one of the Mets' top three bonehead trades. John Bruce (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. November 12, 2006 He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. After one year in New York Lolich retired. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. 170 lbs.? August 11, 2015 Streamline your workflow with our best-in-class digital asset management system. Randy Tate Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. February 28, 2003 You can't be serious. April 24, 2003 Shari December 13, 2007 In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Shows included risque "girlie acts" with ladies who exposed their KNEES! For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Shickhaus Franks But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! December 20, 2019 Militello's Bakery. October 18, 2008 He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Joe Figliola The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? Larry Burns Lolich was a fine pitcher. Cut him some slack. Man, those pitches were big ones. NYB Buff And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. I guess the idea that everyone loves a jolly fat guy is true. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. October 4, 2006 Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. But Don Grant was bananas, and he took the first decent offer he received. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Stu Baron Bartolo Colon etc). They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. etc. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). August 7, 2018 But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Shari I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. Bob P But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. July 15, 2016 December 8, 2006 In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. July 31, 2002 May 8, 2003 July 15, 2016 HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. pete bogeyman I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Bartolo Colon etc). But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Larry Burns After the shooting he served guard duty at the White House. You can't be serious. He later came back to play for the Padres. He later came back to play for the Padres. support. Ramblin' Pete Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. I guess the idea that everyone loves a jolly fat guy is true. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. April 24, 2003 He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. Cut him some slack. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Bob P I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. 170 lbs.? April 6, 2012 Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. Not that THAT did squat for the Mets! There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Not that THAT did squat for the Mets! John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? August 7, 2018 Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. 170 lbs.? His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Ramblin' Pete eddiek I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. September 29, 2007 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Bob Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Fact is Lolich was always overweight. bob saunders feat fan Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. bob saunders April 6, 2012 eddiek Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. November 28, 2001 Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. December 8, 2006 September 29, 2007 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. He eats his product.' April 27, 2013 A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. And Rusty Staub? April 27, 2013 Bartolo Colon etc). No contest. 05 SEC. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Feat Fan Rusty could hit with the lights out. Al Bob P Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Bob P He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. October 18, 2008 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, Im afraid for her life: Riverside CC womens coach harassed after Title IX suit, Want to solve climate change? Raymond Malcuit Jr. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. May 7, 2013 He started 45 games and completed 29. Mickey liked his doughnuts. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. May 6, 2003 That would make him a star in today's market. 1:23 AM Apr 26th Raymond Malcuit I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Scrappy Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. The point is he made a bad team worse. 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